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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/23/2004 6:55 am  
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  883.1  
 
This may very well be the best thought out item we have read since 9/11/01. 

Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan ... what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. 

I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.

1. The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosovich and the rest of those good ol' boys:  We will never "interfere" again. 

2.  We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence.

3.  All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them.


4.  All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5.  No "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" (for "deport") and it's back home baby.

6.  The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non-polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7.  Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8.  If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given to the Army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9.  Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10.  All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The language we speak is ENGLISH.....learn it...or LEAVE... 

Now, ain't that a winner of a plan. 
The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses." She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, "You want a piece of me?" 

If you agree with the above forward it to friends.
         

 
  
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  From:  amym38     6/29/2004 3:10 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (2 of 12)  
 
  883.2 in reply to 883.1  
 
are you sure Robin Williams wrote that?   

At any rate, Christians have no business agreeing with unbiblical ideology, IMO.

 

 
 
 

 
  
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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/29/2004 10:56 am  
To:  amym38    (3 of 12)  
 
  883.3 in reply to 883.2  
 
Robin Williams was being sardonic in his peace plan, and this was not intentional to say that it was anything biblical to his humor.  But it should give us all pause to think that if the USA didn't interfere in some of the areas in the world, they would not be better off but worse for the wear.  

We are a Christian nation who have always fought for the underdog.  Often we police the world and rid the world of evildoers.  Because we are professed Christians, God has given us victory in every war except one - the Vietnam War. 

The USA has been criticised by both the non-Americans as well as Americans.  It is because we are a free nation that we are able to exercise our first amendment rights as Robin Williams has by expressing his disdain for the criticism exercised by others for the help and assistance [spiritual, financial, and political] to these hurting nations.   ~Minister Falcon
 
  
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  From:  robocoastie    7/26/2004 8:10 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (4 of 12)  
 
  883.4 in reply to 883.3  
 
>>We are a Christian nation who have always fought for the underdog. 
No we are not. The USA is a democratic Republic, not a Theocracy. In fact the founding fathers worked very hard to ensure it could not be turned into one as most were actually deist and not christian as the churches like to claim. 

As for fighting for the underdog, the former slaves, minorities prior to 1980* and American Indian (who the US made a policy to systematically genocide) could argue vehmentally against that point. 

Rob 

*no I'm not saying they/you don't have things hard today either but compared to what they went through in the 20s, thru 70's you have it easy as pie. Want an example to see how much has improved? - watch the movie "Dragon: The Bruce Lee story" to see an example of how chinese were treated and stereotyped then compared to today. 'nuff said.

Rob
 
  
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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     7/26/2004 8:30 pm  
To:  robocoastie    (5 of 12)  
 
  883.5 in reply to 883.4  
 
Tell me what country that we stood up for wasn't an underdog?

Because you follow a different course, that is of an occultist, you are assuming the garbage that has been infiltrating your heart and spewing, that the USA was not founded on religious principles.  The non-believing, agnostic, occult believer have always ignored the words that are printed on each coin and paper money, IN GOD WE TRUST. 

The next argument is the signers of the Declaration of Independence were not Christians.  Regardless of what religious affiliations signers of the declaration had, the principles found in the Holy Bible were the prerequisite for our constitution and moral/civil laws.  Religious prejudice in England and Europe forced many ships to carry human cargo to religious freedom to this country.

It was the inhuman part of the non-religious people such as yourself that brought slavery to this country and proceeded to justify their treatment of native Americans, Mexican Americans, and Chinese Americans. You can take on the guilt of this travestry, however, I will not for I never approved of nor did my family ever approve of slavery in indentured servitude.  In fact, my family were indentured servants for many years before my family members found freedom.  Do not think that life is fair, it is not; but God, in His wisdom, has found to make some of us slaves and some of us freeborn.  Each person of that age has its bondage to work through and each person of that age have found their freedom in Christ.  

Even today, we are either slaves to Satan and sin or slaves to Christ and righteousness.  I chose be be a slave to Christ, Jesus and live in His righteousness.  You travel a different road...

   



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  From:  robocoastie    7/27/2004 11:59 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (6 of 12)  
 
  883.6 in reply to 883.5  
 
Actually nothing could be further from the truth. I am not an occultist, rather I can be best described as a deist which my web site if you would have actually read all of clearly states. So you lie yet again. Thereby showing your corrupt fruit once again. 
>>Tell me what country that we stood up for wasn't an underdog? 

We did not stand up for the indian nations rather the US actually practiced systematic genocide against them. You need to take history classes all over again. 

>> the principles found in the Holy Bible were the prerequisite for our constitution and moral/civil laws. 

Also those same moral and civil laws are found in every culture on the planet. They are no brainers: leave me alone, leave others alone, don't steal their food or woman etc... etc... the Bible and christianity don't have a monopoly on that. For that matter I love how you leave OUT the HUNDREDS of other moral/civil laws from the bible such as cleanliness laws, sacrifice and so on. Also no where in the bible does it say you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, nor does it say you have the right to vote, to hold office, to keep and bear arms, heck it doesn't even say you have freedom of religeon - if you actualy read all the bible it indicates that G-d doesn't really even care about other's religeons or business only that of his people Israel. so you are flat out wrong on this point as well. 

>>It was the inhuman part of the non-religious people such as yourself that brought slavery to this country and proceeded to justify their treatment of native Americans, Mexican Americans, and Chinese Americans. 

Wrong again. Slavery was church sanctioned and prayers that the cause of the Confederate army was just was shouted from many a pulpit throughout the south. Many even believed that to be black was the "mark of cain" so to them blacks were not even human. So once again you twist history making you a liar. Another sign of bad fruit. 

>>but God, in His wisdom, has found to make some of us slaves and some of us freeborn. 

non-sequitur. Irrelevant to the point of slavery. You're saying the ends justifies the means basically which has nothing to do with the point at had. 

>>Religious prejudice in England and Europe forced many ships to carry human cargo to religious freedom to this country. 

True. That's because they lived in a semi-theocracy like you are trying to do to the US again by saying we are a "Christian nation". 

>>You travel a different road... 

Yes I am! Thankfully!! I travel the real road, terra firma where I don't have to think up excuses for inconsistencies in the Bible, theology conflicting with science. Basically I no longer have to LIE as I did when I was a xian. 

To bring this back around to the point though and end the personal attacks as you've conducted on me. I summarize again: 

1) You stated the US was a "christian nation" 
2) I pointed out that it is not. That the framers of the Constitution intentionally made it so it could NOT be turned into a theocracy as you are saying it is with statement 1 and that in fact many of the framers were not even "christian" but actually deist. The facts for this for those curious are readily available at your public library or favorite search engine. As an example of just one, Jefferson denied the deity of Jesus and cut out the only parts of the bible he considered worthy spending ones time on. You can even buy copies of what he created at Amazon.com by searching books-Jefferson bible. Another eye opener is Thomas Paines famous work "The Age of Reason". 
3) You replied with personal attacks and lies particularly stating that I was an occultist and yet at the same time an agnostic (you can't be both no matter what YOU believe the rest of the world - even Bible translators and publishers use dictionaries Websters being one of the best - not your definitions). 
4) You denied the involvement of christianity in slavery and the genocide of the indians. Displaying just how far you've created history in your own image. (news flah that is also called lieing). 

Mat. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 

You're fruit shows you to be a liar. 

End of my participation in this thread. I've made my point. 

Rob 



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     7/28/2004 12:52 am  
To:  robocoastie    (7 of 12)  
 
  883.7 in reply to 883.6  
 
Actually nothing could be further from the truth. I am not an occultist, rather I can be best described as a deist which my web site if you would have actually read all of clearly states. 

I didn't have go on your web site, I just had to see the kind of garbage you solict as worthy on your ID.  If you promote any kind of occult sites, you are an occultist.  Deny it as much as you want, the truth still stands.  As a deist, you believe that God created the universe and then abandoned it.  Pleeeease again!  How ridiculous!  God is Spirit, Jesus was made flesh and still if flesh but resides in the hearts of born-again believers as a Spirit.  You will not believe this because you don't know Him, nor accept Him, nor understand this concept because your spirit man is sleeping, not awake.  You can't understand what you can't see....just like the wind, you can't see it, but you can feel it and see the effects of it.  According to your line of reasoning, the wind does not exist because you can't see it.  That's a freethinker, deist's point of view....

We did not stand up for the indian nations rather the US actually practiced systematic genocide against them. You need to take history classes all over again. 

Excuse me?  Are you serious?  Their own Indian nations fought with the same mentality as you say the US had.  They were not organized but practiced systematic genocide against themselves.  The settlers got caught in the middle of these wars and our own territorial government served as peacekeepers to protect its own.  Before that we were not a organized union or republic.  You have only this to say as your defense to your statement that the US has not been a protector or advocate to the underdog?  You can't talk about modern times?  You can talk about any where else in the world?  

Also those same moral and civil laws are found in every culture on the planet. They are no brainers: leave me alone, leave others alone, don't steal their food or woman etc... etc... the Bible and christianity don't have a monopoly on that. 

No, again you are wrong.  Gentile morals and their civil laws are not the same as those of the Jews that are found in the bible.  If you read the bible you would know that.  

For that matter I love how you leave OUT the HUNDREDS of other moral/civil laws from the bible such as cleanliness laws, sacrifice and so on. 

Moral, civil, and sacrificial laws were appropriate for the time of Old Testament writing.  When Jesus Christ died on the cross, the sacrifical laws were abolished.  It no longer is appropriate except for those that are in witchcraft and satanism and other Gentile practices in other cultures.  The sacrificial laws are used but they have absolutely no spiritual effect on God as they once did.  But clever Satan loves to have stupid people honor him in this abomination.

Also no where in the bible does it say you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, nor does it say you have the right to vote, to hold office, to keep and bear arms, heck it doesn't even say you have freedom of religeon - 

Oh clever boy!  Surely you quote only what you think you know! There are literally hundreds of scriptures in reference to the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.  Freedom of religion?  The Bible gives a detailed explanation in Galatians 5 of how to walk in freedom.   

if you actualy read all the bible it indicates that G-d doesn't really even care about other's religeons or business only that of his people Israel. so you are flat out wrong on this point as well. 

I read it and study it and teach it.  God cares about all His people.  The New Testament showed us exactly how much He cared for us, but giving us deliverance,  and by accepting and grafting us in as adopted Jews.  What God does care about is foolish debates and talk about other religions that do not follow His principles but design for themselves a new religion that has nothing to do with Him what so ever.

Slavery was church sanctioned and prayers that the cause of the Confederate army was just was shouted from many a pulpit throughout the south. Let's go back further in this upsurdity you spew.... slavery was not church sanctioned.  It was part of the middle east morality.  It is throughout the historical records of both the far and middle east, not started by the church nor sanctioned by the church either.  But it was a way of life and the bible records showed that Jesus taught the slaves as well as the free man to live in freedom of their spirit man.  This gave them the freedom to live unmolested by humankind and operate completely in the spirit man with complete freedom.  

Many even believed that to be black was the "mark of cain" so to them blacks were not even human.  

Poor teachers of the word begot poor and unstable students in the South.  Having slaves was an economic gain for southerners. The North fought for the freedom of the southern slaves...many of them were free in the North and fought in the Civil War to set them free.  

>>but God, in His wisdom, has found to make some of us slaves and some of us freeborn. 

non-sequitur. Irrelevant to the point of slavery. You're saying the ends justifies the means basically which has nothing to do with the point at had. 

See this is the point, I quoted scripture to you and you didn't get it.  Here are my references:

Romans 6:6
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Romans 6:16-21
16  Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 
19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. 
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 

Romans 6:22-23
22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. 

1 Corinthians 7:22-23
22 For he who is called in the Lord while a slave is the Lord's freedman. Likewise he who is called while free is Christ's slave. 23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.

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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     7/28/2004 7:14 pm  
To:  robocoastie    (9 of 12)  
 
  883.9 in reply to 883.8  
 
Be amazed at your own ignorance, I am.

Here is a partial listing from your bio which tells me you are in the occult.  

Favorite Forums
A Witches' Thicket 
Full Circle: A Pagan Forum 
The Cauldron: A Pagan Forum 


No Christian is going to go in those places unless they are witnessing.  However, since you claim you don't believe anymore, you certain have gone the way of the Gentile.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)     7/29/2004 1:20 pm  
To:  ALL   (11 of 12)  
 
  883.11 in reply to 883.9  
 
Messages deleted due to name calling.

When will some people learn.

David



David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum
www.BasicChristian.org

 
  
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   From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     7/29/2004 3:06 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (12 of 12)  
 
  883.12 in reply to 883.11  
 
Opps!  Didn't see it but then let's agree to rebuke it in the name of Jesus Christ! ~Minister Falcon 
  
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